Mike Brey stated, "Farrell is better than Hurley."

[lucustookis]

Lucus States, "Brey needs to stop it with the drug use."

At first glance, I was sure this will as out of context, so I opened up the article. My heavens, it was certainly not out of context. Brey even doubled down when challenged on it. He restated, "I think he's better. He shoots it better."

I now have the three dummies of this year in the ACC coaching ranks with 3 recent and flat out stupid statements by Roy Dummiams, Jim Dumbhind, and Mike Dumbbrey.

 

[VT4700]

Not a thing wrong with saying that. Farrell has had a great year, and with much less talent around him than Hurley had. Farrell's stats this year compare to Hurley's his junior year, and I think it is fair to say Hurley got a lot of extra love just because he was at Duke.

 

[Hoos19NC]

I agree with Brey 100%....

 

[lucustookis]

Bobby Hurley was a legendary college point guard winning two titles. Hurley was the 7th overall pick in the draft and is the leading player in all time assists in the history of college bball. He started as a freshmen at Duke.

Farrell is much improved, but they are not even in the same universe. The biggest separation between the two beside Hurley's all time accolades like national titles and being a first team All-American, all time assist leader and wicked basketball IQ, but the most important separation is that he was light-years ahead of Farrell in on-ball, one on one defending. Hurley had incredible lateral quickness and is 3rd in college basketball history in all time charges drawn. Hurley would have been better in the pros if he would not have nearly died in the crazy early career accident. Farrell is very good, but not even in the same world as Hurley.

One other stat in which Hurley is top 10 all time in college basketball and light-years ahead of Farrell is Hurley's ball handling skills. Hurley's assist to turnover ratio was just under 8:1 for his entire NCAA career. Farrell's is only 3.1:1. Meaning, Hurley had 8 assists for every time he turned the ball over and it was over 8 his senior year in which he had no Laetner or Grant Hill. For every 3.1 assists that Farrell gets, he turns it over once. That is an alarming difference. Hurley is one of the best passers, but equally important, best ball handlers to ever play college basketball.

 

[VT4700]

Bobby Hurley was a legendary college point guard winning two titles. Hurley was the 7th overall pick in the draft and is the leading player in all time assists in the history of college bball. He started as a freshmen at Duke.

Farrell is much improved, but they are not even in the same universe. The biggest separation between the two beside Hurley's all time accolades like national titles and being a first team All-American, all time assist leader and wicked basketball IQ, but the most important separation is that he was light-years ahead of Farrell in on-ball, one on one defending. Hurley had incredible lateral quickness and is 3rd in college basketball history in all time charges drawn. Hurley would have been better in the pros if he would not have nearly died in the crazy early career accident. Farrell is very good, but not even in the same world as Hurley.

One other stat in which Hurley is top 10 all time in college basketball and light-years ahead of Farrell is Hurley's ball handling skills. Hurley's assist to turnover ratio was just under 8:1 for his entire NCAA career. Farrell's is only 3.1:1. Meaning, Hurley had 8 assists for every time he turned the ball over and it was over 8 his senior year in which he had no Laetner or Grant Hill. For every 3.1 assists that Farrell gets, he turns it over once. That is an alarming difference. Hurley is one of the best passers, but equally important, best ball handlers to ever play college basketball.

Hurley did not have an 8 to 1 assists to turnover ratio. Not even close. For his career, he averaged 7.7 assists a game, and a very, very high 3.8 turnovers a game. So, his ratio was 2-1, not 8-1.

Hurley has the ACC (and probably NCAA) record for most turnovers in a career. I will say this again in case you missed it: Hurley has the ACC (and probably NCAA) record for most turnovers in a career.

To compare each in his junior year, Hurley averaged 7.6 assists and 3.5 turnovers, while Farrell averaged 5.5 assists with 2.5 turnovers, so the ratios are pretty much the same.

I think Brey is spot on with this one.

 

[lucustookis]

Brey is foolish and Hurley is a legend. You keep mentioning junior years. Why? Because Hurley started his freshmen year at Duke University, and Farrell was still coming off of the bench some last year as a sophomore. A career is 4 years or however long one stays, not just a junior year. Hurley had already won a national title by his "junior" year. In cased you missed it....that's national title. Think about this for a second....you are arguing a guy who never really started full-time until his junior year at Notre Dame who is honorable mention All Conference is better than the 7th player picked in the draft and a first team All-American and two time national title winner and a person who still holds the NCAA record in Assists.

Like I told ya, the difference is defense. Hurley's on-ball defense was far, far better. His basketball IQ was far higher. Don't believe it? Well, I can tell you this, Farrell is not going to be a first round draft pick. He may not get drafted at all. In the NBA, people will dribble right around him and exploit him. Farrell is quick, but again, not even on the same level as Hurley's quicks and he doesn't have the quicks to guard NBA point guards. Bobby Hurley is still talked about as a legend in the ACC as a point guard 25 or so years later. Do you really think a guy named "Matt Farrell" will be a legend 25 years later? Get real. Because a guy who coached both of them says one of them is better than the other does not make it true. Why? Because....... to instantly assume that he is being objective and has no bias is a fallacy in and of itself.

P.S. I stand corrected on the Assist to Turnover Ratio. I was reading Hurley's overall assists. Still, it doesn't change the fact that Hurley was FAR better. You also have to take into consideration things such as.......Hurley was good enough to start his freshmen year. Farrell didn't get serious playing time until last year and last year, he averaged 13.4 minutes per game and as a freshman, only 4.1 minutes per game. So basically, what we have to judge Matt Farrell on is his "junior year." Start him as a freshmen at Notre Dame and as a sophomore, and his total assist ratio, his total shooting percentage, his total turnovers would overwhelmingly pull down the overall numbers for his career, and specifically, his junior year (this year). I also liked Dicky V's comments. Last night, he laughed at the comment by Brey and said it was just an attempt to get his team pumped up and that he couldn't have really been serious. He went on to say that Farrell is a solid player and one of the most improved in the country (which I wrote on this board one month ago) but he said Hurley was royalty. Last thing, I can't stand Duke. I dislike them more than North Carolina and Notre Dame is my second favorite team in the ACC behind VT. I even like them in football, but.......common sense has to prevail. Hurley was special dude.

 

[Hoos19NC]

Hurley was better at floor slapping...I'll give you that one.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Hurley is a lot smarter than Farrell. Hurley went to Duke. Farrell went to Notre Dame. I do not like or respect anyone who goes to ND They do not belong in ACC..

 

[Hoos19NC]

Hurley is a lot smarter than Farrell. Hurley went to Duke. Farrell went to Notre Dame. I do not like or respect anyone who goes to ND They do not belong in ACC..

Hurley was a floor smacking douche bag.....Farrell is not.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

I know nothing about Farrell. Actually I has never heard of him until I saw this thread on message board. But by signing with ND, he's on my ______ List.

 

[Hoos19NC]

Norte Dame wins....Farrell with 16 points, 4 rebounds and 4 assist....not bad.

 

[mbrann3]

Don't agree with Lucus often, but this really is no contest. Farrell is good, Hurley was great. If you think Farrell is in the same league it's probably because you were too young to watch the Hurley years at Duke, you hate Hurley or Duke, or you've just forgotten how special he was because it's been so long so recency bias has slipped in.

 

[VT4700]

Don't agree with Lucus often, but this really is no contest. Farrell is good, Hurley was great. If you think Farrell is in the same league it's probably because you were too young to watch the Hurley years at Duke, you hate Hurley or Duke, or you've just forgotten how special he was because it's been so long so recency bias has slipped in.

I do hate Duke, but that is not why I think Hurley was overrated. Christian Laettner was a great college player, so even though I cannot stand Duke, I can give credit to a Duke player when it is deserving. No, I was not too young to watch them. I just never thought Hurley was anything special.

I think Hurley was an average college player who was lucky enough to have a lot of talent around him. Bottom line is put Hurely on this year's ND team, and they do not do any better than they did, and put Farrell or a host of other point guards on those Duke teams that were loaded with so much talent and they still win titles.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Notre Dame should not be in ACC.
Neither should Pittsburgh. Syracuse. Louisville and Boston College.

 

[Hoos19NC]

Notre Dame should not be in ACC.
Neither should Pittsburgh. Syracuse. Louisville and Boston College.

I didn't know you felt this way.....1st time I've heard you say this.