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Tunnel talk: June 26, 2020

Welcome to another edition of Tunnel Talk, with the latest in Hokie recruiting.

Earl Miller

Virginia Tech hosted two-star defensive tackle Earl Miller on a "virtual visit" this week, and things went extremely well. The 6-3, 258-pounder is someone that the coaching staff is much higher on than the rankings experts, and has become a big priority.

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He's hoping to make an early decision, and ironically, the NCAA's extension of the emergency Dead Period yesterday actually helps encourage him to make an early decision: if he can't take any trips this Summer, why bother waiting until later in the preseason to make a commitment? There's no longer any reason to hold out if he's trying to get it out of the way before his senior year begins.

As we've seen in other situations, a sight-unseen commitment can definitely be risky, and the staff accepting one (particularly Virginia Tech, whose coaches have a very good reputation of finding unheralded talent early) ramps up the attention from other programs that may not have otherwise taken notice of him. The Hokies are still happy to take Miller if he sticks to his tentative plan to end it within the next couple weeks.

In-state momentum

A recent theme of Tunnel Talk posts has been about a groundswell for VT in the state. That's obviously no surprise with four in-state commitments (and another from Baltimore) within the past month and a half. The feedback I continue to get in the Northern region of the state - where Jalen Stroman, Keli Lawson, and Shawn Asbury reside - is overwhelmingly positive. VT isn't going to suddenly dominate the greater DC region, but the age of being completely out of the mix seems to be gone.

In other parts of the state, like Richmond (where Jaylen Jones is from) and the 757, there's quite a bit more of a wait-and-see approach being taken. The Hokies have a bit of positive buzz there simply as a matter of players and coaches seeing that VT is looking back toward home a bit, but the results will require a bit more time.

Former VT running back's coach Zohn Burden is holding a big camp with his GAME Academy program in Virginia Beach this weekend, and seeing how the reputation of the Hokies has developed or shifted will be something to keep an eye on. I've mentioned Burden's potential roles as a supporting character in the greater in-state recruiting scene going forward, and how it impacts Virginia Tech - a school that recently fired him - will be something to keep an eye on.

I don't think there are going to be too many hard feelings from Burden himself, but how area coaches and prospects feel about the Hokies seen through the lens of having fired a popular 757 personality (though like I've said before: his popularity wasn't effective for the Hokies on the recruiting trail anyway, so it was probably time to let him go) will be one to watch.

Huggins-Bruce update

I've mentioned Dillon (S.C.) wide receiver Ahmari Huggins Bruce more recently than I would have expected.

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It really does seem like his personal feelings are trending back toward Virginia Tech in advance of his commitment next weekend. That's without the staff putting any sort of full-court press on him (as I've said, they're willing to accept his commitment, but not prioritizing him right now), so if they pump it up for just a few days, they could seal the deal.

I remain of the opinion that Louisville makes the most sense, but I won't be issuing a forecast for his destination unless I get some sort of strong indication that it's a done deal one way or the other.
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Over/Under 8.5 Wins this year?

I saw this posted on a book at plus money.... I know I'm biased and usually try to stay out of betting VT but ho lee fuk. There's no way we don't hit 9-3 right? Penn State, sure we lose that - even though I think we have a shot. At UNC, fine, 50/50 but count it as a loss.....there aren't two more losses on the schedule. I might load up. Does anybody think we go 8-4?

Tunnel Talk: June 24, 2020

Welcome to Tunnel Talk, running through the latest in the world of recruiting and Virginia Tech.

Martin aftermath


Yesterday's decommitment by Arkansas DT Tyas Martin was a big blow to the Hokies, but not an unforeseen one. The recent wave of offers to players at the DT position - with multiple body types for the role - indicates they've seen a need, and part of that need is because they saw this coming. The effort to dominate recruiting in the Midlands has been... unsuccessful.

I'd actually believed that Arkansas was a good state to pop into for elite recruits (much more so than Texas). It's flanked by Memphis and Oklahoma/North Texas, two areas with a lot of ties to the current Hokie coaching staff. The "stay home" option has pretty much always been bad, aside from short bursts of on-field success - and despite all the money in the world, will probably always be. Little Rock (where much of the talent is concentrated) is not exactly close to Blacksburg, but the drive falls under that crucial 12-hour mark that can reasonably be tackled in a single day.

Maybe Arkansas will - and should - continue to get attention from the Hokies, and maybe the Hokies have success there (at this point, that won't likely include Martin, who has a number of SEC schools high on his list).

At DT, New Jersey's Tywone Malone is still a semi-realistic option here, in-staters Kelvin Gilliam and Tyleik Williams have drawn positive mention in recent Tunnel Talks, and the staff is really excited about Florida two-star Earl Miller Jr.

I'm very high on Martin's potential (in a way that I wasn't for Latrell Neville's), so this is a loss, even if he's replaced. He has things from a physical perspective that can't be taught, and a lot of what he lacks can be taught. But this is a position at which there are other options available, too.

In-state

Speaking of in-state prospects, if the staff seems to be turning more of its attention to the Commonwealth... well, appearances are not deceiving. There's no intention of abandoning other recruiting areas, but certainly there's a bit of acceptance that the position of the VT program (both geographically and in the CFB pecking order) is one that requires a bit of a more nuanced recruiting approach.

I've long been one who has said the majority of a class doesn't necessarily need to be built in-state, and I hold to that. Of course, that was when the staff was pursuing (and, crucially, signing) players from Maryland, North Carolina, and Georgia. "Classes don't need to be built in-state" and "doing little enough in the state to upset area coaches and prospects so they don't consider your program an option when you need to rely on the state" are different extremes within the same genre, and walking that line has been a delicate act that there has been some struggle in. If you aren't winning like 'Bama, you can't say "it doesn't matter where we go for players, as long as we get players," because you aren't going to end up meeting the second half of that sentence if you go far.

As I've said in other recent Tunnel Talks, the coaches are putting in the effort to repair some of those damaged relationships, and it's working out.

A guy like 757 linebacker Isi Etute may not get fans excited from a rankings perspective, but he's a solid prospect, one who can develop at a position of need, and quite frankly (no pun intended?) a guy that would have been pursued, landed, and groomed under the previous coaching regime into a solid player at worst, but perhaps even a star. Heck, you could include recent pledges Keli Lawson and Shawn Asbury in that category, as well.

There's a bit of leeway on the defensive side of things as area coaches see it, with major turnover on the coaching staff meaning there's understanding about why it's taken a bit longer to get those evaluations in. That should provide a boost when it comes to securing commitments from some of these guys.

The Huggins chance?

As South Carolina receiver Amari Huggins-Bruce approaches a July 2 decision - unless he pushes it back, which is seeming more and more likely (or at least, it's seeming more likely that he won't have a final decision by then: he'd go through with a commitment anyway) - the oscillating between Louisville and Virginia Tech continues.

He's seemed to trend strongly toward Louisville in the past several weeks, in part because VT doesn't have as strong a need for a player with his body type, and I still think that's the most likely outcome for his recruitment. Of course, the Hokies, for all their positive recruiting news recently, have also taken some blows in a two-steps-forward, one-step-back routine, so positive buzz from another commitment could be welcome anyway.

A source indicates that Huggins-Bruce is telling those around him that he's leaning toward Virginia Tech at this point. The feeling from a Louisville end of things is that he's trying to introduce some drama and intrigue into the process. From the Hokies' end of things, that weird lukewarm "we'll take him but are not emotionally invested in this recruitment" vibe continues, with no definitive statements about a chance one way or the other. It's been a weird one in that regard.

I'll continue to follow up with him and those around him, but at the very least it sounds like a legit shot to land him - we'll see if the Hokies will push in the home stretch (because Louisville definitely will) to make that happen.

Tunnel Talk: June 22, 2020

Welcome to Tunnel Talk, with the latest on Hokie recruiting and more.

Shawn Asbury

It's easy to be skeptical - or at least not very excited - when a two-star player commits to the Hokies, but the more I learn about Shawn Asbury, the more I'm coming around on this being a really good pledge.

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Let's start with the on-field stuff. He was hurt last year, coming off an ACL tear in January (and not playing until a little later in the season because of it, to say nothing of not being at full effectiveness). The lack of burst that jumps off the page in his film is something that's perhaps only temporary. The player himself admits that the 2019 film is not particularly flattering to him.

"He was really excited for the Spring and the camp season," someone close to him told HokieHaven.com. "He wanted to have a chance to prove he's better than the [2019] film. He knows it's not the best reflection."

Of course, he ended up getting the scholarship he always coveted anyway, and the Hokies locked him down before other programs got hip to him. In the end, the ACL tear won't negatively impact his college destination. Did it make things happen on a slightly different timetable than might have otherwise been expected? Sure. But he's a Hokie, like he always wanted to be.

Off the field, he's a popular kid in the talent-rich DC suburbs. His commitment doesn't guarantee anything, but according to the same source quoted above, it probably gives the Hokis the edge over Penn State for 2022 RB Tevin White. The four-star teammate of Asbury has visited State College several times, so getting to Blacksburg along with Asbury will be a priority in taking advantage of that crack in the door. But it's very much that crack in the door VT needed.

Asbury has a number of other friends throughout the region (he's close with four-star DT Tyleik Williams, for example), and it can only be a positive in pursuing them, as well. Again, he's not magic bullet, but landing Asbury is going to go a long way toward starting to get those negative PR stories into the rearview mirror.

Diego Pounds slipping?

There was a point where Raleigh (N.C.) Millbrook three-star offensive lineman Diego Pounds looked all-but ticketed for Virginia Tech. The Hokies represented the biggest name on his offer sheet for a long time, and he took a crucial pre-pandemic trip to Blacksburg.

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In the time since, however, he's blown up, with over three dozen offers now on the table. As we've seen with other prospects in the past decade or so, even a VT that is an early favorite doesn't tend to stand on equal footing when other programs - historically on VT's level, though not seen that way since the Hokies have slipped since 2011 - really begin to get into the mix.

He listed a half-dozen contenders to our Tennessee site recently, and even though he's down to just 15 schools (and should be able to remember one that was an early favorite), Virginia Tech didn't come up at all. That doesn't mean VT is out of it. But it does mean a guy who once looked like a strong VT lean is back on level footing, to say the least.

He plans to wait until he can visit some of the recent entries to his recruitment (saying, "I won't commit to a school without visiting" may also bode slightly poorly for one of the few programs he's had the chance to see in-person, though that quote is less troubling), and that should give the Hokies a chance to make an on-field statement.

As is the case with many other high-profile recruitments, that statement could prove to be important.

Former VT commit already leaving Liberty

Tayvion Land is not a fan of the racial insensitivity at the school:

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In all honesty, I'm pretty surprised that Liberty has been able to get many/any players to commit. I guess there's a limited number of scholarships out there. But it's not like this is a new thing at Liberty, and I have to think running a football program there is going to be very difficult. (I don't know why they bothered starting an FBS program anyway? Doesn't seem like much of a fit for their university except inasmuch as getting the name out there sort of... papers over? ...the well-known problems there).

Tunnel Talk: June 21, 2020

Welcome to Tunnel Talk here on the first full day of Summer, with the latest in the world of Hokie recruiting.

Shawn Asbury

In-state defensive back Shawn Asbury will be making his commitment tonight, with the Hokies' primary competition for his signature... uh... let's just say the expectation is positive news. I guess Pitt would be the other contender, but in all honesty, you couldn't even really call the Panthers that.

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The staff has been pursuing the 5-11, 175-pounder as a combo DB, capable of playing a deep safety position as well as some nickel and corner. That's in part because they don't want to spook other safety targets: the plan has been to take four safeties (and the depth chart necessitates it), but it's easier for a recruit to look at a class with two other safeties - Jalen Hoyle and Jalen Stroman - and a multi-position guy, and still think about committing, than it is to become the fourth true safety in the class. There's also something to be said for Hoyle's likelihood of being a hybrid LB in the long run, while Stroman has some ability to be a corner.

Either way, the staff is much higher on this kid than the rankings experts are, so that's a good thing. Another positive, should he pick the Hokies? In touching base with coaches and other recruits around the area, he's much more of a popular potential pied-piper type than I had realized. There's a long way to go in rebuilding the staff's reputation in the broader DC area (though certainly that won't stop a particular staffer from talking smack to area high school coaches on Twitter - you know, a ridiculously counter-productive thing - when Asbury becomes a Hokie), but Asbury could serve as a fairly big step in that direction.

Markevious Brown

With the secondary picture starting to clarify a bit, the staff can definitely be a little selective going forward. That's because the numbers are made up by now, and because the expectation of a stronger year on-field will allow that selectiveness to be focused on top prospects.

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One such player is Florida four-star Markevious Brown, who's a little more interested in VT than previously expected. The Pahokee-turned-IMG standout has been pretty open to programs around the nation (as guys who transfer to IMG tend to be), and doesn't want to rule anyone out on the basis of geography. The staff has taken that opportunity and run with it, showing the most attention of any program in the mix, with a few middle-tier ACC and SEC schools not far off from that standard.

Brown had loosely narrowed to a top seven before VT even was a glimmer in his eye, but it's clear that there's going to be a shot here, especially if things go well on the field for the Hokies.

Admissions issue?

Those who listened to my spot on ESPN Blacksburg last Wednesday (sorry for no link - they've gotten pretty inconsistent about posting the podcasts in a timely fashion, if at all), heard Paul Van Wagoner and I talk a little bit about a potential admissions issue for the Hokies from a recruiting perspective.

I've done a bit of digging, and honestly have turned up little. Seems like the coaching staff either isn't worried about it (which would obviously be best-case scenario), or they want to keep the bad news quiet until it's unavoidable. I'll continue to monitor the situation, but for the time being I'm leaning toward the former.

My operating assumption is that we're talking about a 2020 signee here, and potentially one that's not going to be a game changer if he can't make it to campus. The VT athletic department and admissions work together pretty hard to find solutions to these situations, as well - there's really no benefit to the admissions department or university when it comes to trying to get players into school through some past academic issues as long as they're still expected to be bright enough to graduate, so hopefully it ends up being resolved in such a fashion that we never really need to hear the full details anyway.
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