Originally posted by HokieNation:
Originally posted by pckank1:
We don't need a new coach. We just need a new OC and a new QB. Beamer seemed to be doing just fine before all of the changes. Maybe we need new boosters and fans because they are the ones that demanded change and were unhappy with BCS bowls, and are just as responsible as anyone for the mess we are in now.
You cannot compare FSU to VT, unless you think a new coach at VT could get top ten recruiting classes in his own backyard like Jimbo can. And, FSU was down Bowden's last 8 years. We are only in year 3 for Beamer.
You are assuming that with no changes, VT would be bound for a BCS bowl this year. Do you really believe this? If so, you are in complete denial. The downward trend started many years ago and has finally caught up to VT. Beamer's experiment with Loeffler has not turned out well. Based on his experience at Auburn, this may have been expected by many. Yes, VT needs a new OC and a new QB, but don't assume that Beamer is immune to being fired as well. A new OC and QB may flourish under Beamer, but at what point do you admit that Beamer may be hanging on too long?
I am not assuming we would be BCS bound without changes, but what we know is that the 9 seasons before the change at OC, we won 11 games 4 times, 10 games 4 times, and 7 games once. Way more often than not, we beat the teams we should have, and way more often than not, we won at home. Looking at some of the losses we have had the last 2 years, I think it is safe to say we win quite a few more games if we don't change things. We still have Bud and his defense, and we still have Beamer as head coach, and our schedule has gotten easier, not harder, so we cannot blame it on that. So, what has changed? Our OC and QB, right?
I realize our 7 win season was the season right before the changes, but if we review that 7-6 season a little bit, we will see that we lost one of the games to UNC 48-34, another to Cincinnati after we scored a late TD to take the lead, but the defense gave up a late one at the end, and another one to FSU after we scored a late FG to take the lead, but the defense gave up a late TD at the end. Am I blaming the defense? Of course not, I love Bud and our defense, but how often does our defense give up 48 points and how often does our defense give up a late score to lose a game? Very rarely, right? So, my point is why panic and make changes when our defense did things it so rarely does, and if they make the stops we are used to seeing, we win 10 games again?
We will just have to disagree on the "downward trend started many years" ago talk. We survived some low ranked offenses from 06-08 with 10 and 11 win seasons, ACC titles, and BCS bowls, beating FSU, Clemson, Miami, and Nebraska to name a few. Hard to say a downward trend started then when we were dominating our conference. Call it weak if you want, but how come no one else did what we did those years? We won 20 ACC games those 3 years, and no one else won more than 16. We won with a young, inexperienced QB in Tyrod, we won with Glennon, we won with a 2 star RB in Ore, and we won with a bunch of young WRs.
Then, from 09-11, we had offenses ranked 50th, 41st, and 35th, and beat FSU, Tennessee, Miami, and Nebraska, to name a few. We went 22-4 in the ACC, and no other team had more than 17 wins. We won with a now star in Tyrod and we won with his replacement in Logan. We won after losing Evans for the season at RB. Calling the ACC weak then is a weak argument because our ACC schedule has been much weaker the past 2 seasons than it ever was and we are 6-9 in conference.
I can understand why so many are frustrated with Beamer, but I do think we should give him a couple of years if he gets the right OC in here. However, if a change is not made at OC and QB, then I will change my tune and say it is time for a new head coach.